Seen this advertised in the lastest hunting mags Precision Shooting | Australia rifle training and Australian long range shooting , coming to nz in march. bloody expensive but looks magic. anyone else thinking of doing it or got any thoughts on it?
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Seen this advertised in the lastest hunting mags Precision Shooting | Australia rifle training and Australian long range shooting , coming to nz in march. bloody expensive but looks magic. anyone else thinking of doing it or got any thoughts on it?
Nope
Nearly $2200 NZ to learn what you could by attending a couple LR shoots for peanuts put on by forum members? Trust me there is nothing you could learn off them that couldnt from forum members and attending a couple of shoots. Go to the Auckland gong shoot and you will be surprised what you will take away from it.
You would either have been bluffed or have way too much money to attend that cse, my personal opinion of course.
haha yea it is alot ...but i was just gathering some thoughts and opinions. in the process of putting together my own (first) LR rifle at the mo and saw that. thought it might accelerate learning or possibly be of interest to you guys. but maybe not hahaha. good to know that we got some volunteers to teach me too!! ;)
lookn at your avatar you don't need a lot of teaching
I may not be much immediate help in the LR department but I could show ya how to dress an animal without getting blood all over yourself:P
Na, unless gut shot it can still be done. But who cares really when a wash sorts it. It was important when working on machines not to get blood everywhere. It wasnt a good look if you had loopy's to do later on and it looked like you gutted an animal inside the machine. Which happened when you had a newbie on the job.
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I hope it was only your hands. Oh! Sorry I forgot you dont live on the coast. :D
Terminal Ballistics Research
He does similar shoots and at a fraction of the price! Dad and I are going with him at some point in spring
I love that guys website, it's all copy+paste from wikipedia calibre articles and articles that say like "hey bedding is the cause of all accuracy problems ever and also it's a service that we offer!"
Really , sounds like hype over substance , opps , Bad Chris .
Want to learn about LR shooting , just join & shoot your local NRA club , Opps , and donot expect to learn IT all in 2 days etc .
I made the mistake of attending an Auckland gong shoot - made some great friends, drooled over some nice gear, shot some of the nice gear, went from thinking 200yds is a long way to thinking 600yds is doable.......then bewarned have spent a shitload of money since :thumbsup: Long range is addictive & very satisfying. R93 is on the right track.
I like the advert for that course, think it went along the lines of "learn everything you need to know to hit a clay target with your 1st round at 1000m" or something like that.
So, I googled and came up with this:
Precision Shooting Canberra - Shooting.com.au
seems to be a positive write up... As others have said its a lot of money, so I will not be the one to write up the NZ course.
^^^ ahaha. went your hands are red its all good. when their green or brown... wump wowww....
"Well I learned a lot about my rifle and it performed very well at 1000 yards. I think I need to do some more testing at 100 but it seems to be all good. When the instructors were spotting my shots they said they easily went into a 1 inch group at 1000 and that's all I really need."
Geez the Aussies like to settle for crap performance eh. Only 1" at 1000y accuracy??? Might as well throw rocks at 'em mate
Think it was meant to be 1 MOA.
1" at a K, would be a world record and I havn't bothered setting it yet.
Cant find a mirror that I can hold steady enough while the rifle is on top of my shoulder.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. So please forgive my sausage fingers!!!
Typo may be .. 1 moa ,or 1 "
2k for a 5 day course isn't unreasonable but what would you really take away from it that you couldn't learn through being around others that shoot long range ?I would also ask anyone considering these courses to ask your self why? Have you watch Sniper one to many times on DVD or do you think there are areas that they will cover in depth that you cannot find yourself with a search engine or by asking your peers ?
Well there probably are things to be truthful you could learn on one of these courses and those would be more around body mechanics and natural point of aim and trigger pull if the tutor was any good.
Other things a person interested in LR shooting will do is read about most subjects on the net as most things are very well covered in many forums -in particular SnipersHide which caters to the serious tactical shooter ,hunter , plinker and whatever else you might class yourself as .One other major factor in doing a course worth this money you would want to come away with more than the basics if you are already a competent marksman -1ST round hits even with experienced shooter doesn't always happen as we well know as there are many variable that come into this equations and they keep changing especially wind .Wind will be the one that kicks your arse more than any other factor in long range shooting .Only long hours behind the gun in different terrain will train you TO handle wind and the signs to look for like movement and mirage and even then you'll still eat plenty of humble pie
I would attend a course if I had bucks to waste but I would I come back a better shooter -maybe a bit maybe not and I would rather spend the 2k on another bit of kit and go and practice more with my peers and discuss performance or that lack thereof with them.Bottom line if your not going to do a course of some sort shoot a lot with other enthusiasts that have a clue --come to the Auckland gong shoot as R93 suggests if your close enough to come and quickly gain some good knowledge for free!!!
flying up to auckland and back several times to learn to shoot seems equally un-economical if thats the point your trying to make... whats with the weak "sniper" dvd referral u got going down there? and for the internet search issue...i have used google before and thanks.
man i was just putting it out there no need to run me down or hint at my dvd collection... i work in western australia , come back infrequently to nz so it was more a time thing for me to learn as much as i can as quickly as i can while im working away
We have shot put of wellie too Dave. Will hve to check to see if access is still available but couple hrs up the line is another option we have
I had to laugh about this also as I wanted to learn to fly after seeing top gun -haha what a wanker
You put your name down yet B? I know you want to.......
If I had the bucks and the time yeah I wouldn't mind hanging out in Aus sending a few rounds down the range and learning some stuff-but would it be stuff I would need not being a professional soldier -but I haven't so its Top Gun dreaming and aeroplane noises for me
If I shot a deer At 1k in the ruahines it would take me a half a day just to get to the area i thought i shot it at!.Then find it maybe! Or i could get a mate to spot for me and guide me in with a..........................morse code.
Yes do that as you wont learn much through Wellington shooters -all wind down there :thumbsup:
Hello everyone, I have just done the two day shooting school with GunWerks in Australia at the Ragland range in central Queensland. We shot at a starting distance of 500meters and then moved onto the 1000meter range . The school was very good and had a strong focus on long range hunting. Most of the shooters shot groups of 5 inchers at 1000 meters with Gunwerks rifles and Ammo.We shot prone, shooting sticks, a bipod and rear bag and used 7mm Rem Mag with 168gr berger hunting pills. Worth a look!
Cheers Rob
+1 with the right set up & gear it is very possible.
My Daughter was 10 when see shot her first rabbit @ 95 with a 204 after 3 outings she had hit 2 out of 3 @ 309 yards.
She also shot out to 1125 yds & went to some LR steel shoots to show the boys how to do it ;)
Her first Fallow deer @ 317 yds on my birthday when she was 11 was a great day.
Earlier this year she shot her first Red at 600 yds :cool:
GF shot her first rabbits @ 200 ish & her first Red at 525 yds so she has 3 victims so far :)
She has also shot steel out to 1475 yds.
The best thing I have done is gone out & shot steel at distance with other Forum members both up North & way down South, beware this can get expensive :D
+1
It is a very nice way to learn.
I see nothing wrong with paying money for a course, it's an honest way of making a buck, but beware that the quality varies enormously. There are many experts with partial and I have attended where the instructor were so embarrasingly underdog in skill we just threw him out.
(Anyone heard of the Lutz Muller bullets?
Lutz Moeller in English on Bullets
We actually tested them and they work best on the internet...)
Now thats funny !! The guy is a bit of a legend in different circles of shooters and a revered designer of stuff to others ,Interesting uncovering the layers of BS to see if he is as good as some say .Great thread went down on Snipershide about the BS some manufacturers spin especially the south African guy that make solids -he just failed miserably and you were paying a premium for his failures !
There is much to get right with shooting accurately at all distances depending on the size of the object you are shooting and I know all of you that enjoy this sort of target type shooting understand the difficulties one encounters even after you got you load down pat , are zeroed ,your body mechanics are oiled and functioning so you are correctly positioned and comfortable to shoot and watch you shot land .The greatest and hardest obstacle is the wind school and understanding what is happening in all the different terrain features that you encounter --basically I doubt you stop learning but its a lot of fun and a school you don't mind attending as much as possible
Wind isn't that difficult, stick to the basics and add/remove a fixed amount if you encounter certain terrain features. There'll always be a wind that cannot be doped, but there are a lot of "impossible" winds that's just a matter of method. Then it is fairly easy to just hammer the target twice and have a very good chance of hitting.
I find that controlling shoulder pressure and relaxing right arm under stress is a huge obstacle for many.
It must be you southislanders that have bomb ups, As philipo will attest there is none of that sort of behavior at the north island forum shoots.
All jokes aside there are places for paying to learn and picking up knowledge for free of others but pulling the trigger lots is the main source of learning in a controlled manner of course!
The world would be a boring place if we all thought the same eh!
I went to the course to learn the basics of long range hunting. Most of my rifle hunting is varmiting with a 22-250 and bigger game animals with a old sako L61R 270 Win. After hunting in the Mount Hutt region in March this year the abilty to hunt at extended ranges, humanely and consistently place a shot with a hunting rifle.
The course was easy to understand and you put in practice what had been taught.
For me the use of the G7 range finder along with the Gunwerks turret system, made the practical side of the course very easy.
They explain bullet drift and show you how to read the wind, mirrarge and its effects at a distance.
Cheers Rob